Stevens Archery...what does the group here think?

[L-train]

LT, doesn't Rex also hold the patent for the hybrid? I swear he does from when I owned a Maverick a decade or so ago. I remember a whole Hoyt/Darton lawsuit over cam design.(CPS vs Cam and Half) If that is the case why deny one but grant the other?


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Didnt see this.
Yep CPS cam patent. Rex might be tightening up who he sells slaved cams to I quess.

[BlindBuck]

Can't say I've tried all the bows out there, but of the ones I did with limbstops, it is in fact the hardest wall I've come across (assuming your speaking of the OA bows). The difference is they don't use the typical O-ring type stop, instead it is a harder piece of shrink tubing I believe and there is no give like there is in the O-ring types. Not sure if that's good or bad, but you can definitely feel the difference.

Wasn't actually referring to OA bows since I won't touch one with Karbon's money. However I can understand why that one would have a harder back wall compared to an Elite or Strother etc just from your description. I feel for you and have been in your shoes just with another manufacturer who people constantly defend and praise. Here I will give you the response you will/did receive from people who stand to profit and fanboys "Give them a call their customer service is the best in the business", "believe me they will do whatever it takes to find a solution for you" yadayadayada......BS if they cared as much as these people claim the bow would never leave the manufacturer in the first place riddled with issues. I think with the manufacturer I had problems with some of the people finally realize it is about bows sold and not what lands in the consumers hand since they have had the same issues for ten months and still haven't fixed it right.

I have both the Inception and the Prevailer on order. I will give an unbiased review on the bows once I have them. I have nothing to gain but possibly a great bow to shoot, have more to lose if it does not. I'm in it for the interest at this point. Hopefully will have a bow in hand a month from now.

Look forward to reading it.

Well I look forward to reading about it.

[BlindBuck]

Didnt see this.
Yep CPS cam patent. Rex might be tightening up who he sells slaved cams to I quess.

Thought so......that in itself is what makes it odd. They must feel honored to be lumped in with KS as the second company denied the use of a binary.lol(that I know of)

[DeanoZ]

Wasn't actually referring to OA bows since I won't touch one with Karbon's money. However I can understand why that one would have a harder back wall compared to an Elite or Strother etc just from your description. I feel for you and have been in your shoes just with another manufacturer who people constantly defend and praise. Here I will give you the response you will/did receive from people who stand to profit and fanboys "Give them a call their customer service is the best in the business", "believe me they will do whatever it takes to find a solution for you" yadayadayada......BS if they cared as much as these people claim the bow would never leave the manufacturer in the first place riddled with issues. I think with the manufacturer I had problems with some of the people finally realize it is about bows sold and not what lands in the consumers hand since they have had the same issues for ten months and still haven't fixed it right.

Agree 100%, exactly what I told them...and then crickets, lol! Lesson learned the hard way and won't be making that mistake again!

[TexasCanesFan]

Bobby Velvet sound like a made up porn name to me. lol

To I believe KS was some how involved with these bows. Yes I do. But until someone proves that he did have something to do with these bows I will take Stevens at his word. He seems like a pretty likable guy from his post on AA. If KS had nothing to do with these bows then I wish him the best, if KS did have something to do with these bows, well you know what the say about Karma.

The part I dont get, is how could anyone thinking of releasing a Bow, not see the K&K debacle, both in the bow design and the business taint, AND then release a virtual carbon copy?????
Makes no sense to me.
If he tried to get slaved cams from Rex, why would he be denied when Rex licenses many companies?
Why not license from Dick Batdorf???lol

If KS was truly not involved with this company at all, then I believe Ole Kev just might be able to win his 1st lawsuit.

[Karbon]

wasn't actually referring to oa bows since i won't touch one with karbon's money.

hey!

[12RingKing]

Wasn't actually referring to OA bows since I won't touch one with Karbon's money. However I can understand why that one would have a harder back wall compared to an Elite or Strother etc just from your description. I feel for you and have been in your shoes just with another manufacturer who people constantly defend and praise. Here I will give you the response you will/did receive from people who stand to profit and fanboys "Give them a call their customer service is the best in the business", "believe me they will do whatever it takes to find a solution for you" yadayadayada......BS if they cared as much as these people claim the bow would never leave the manufacturer in the first place riddled with issues. I think with the manufacturer I had problems with some of the people finally realize it is about bows sold and not what lands in the consumers hand since they have had the same issues for ten months and still haven't fixed it right.





Look forward to reading it.

Well I look forward to reading about it.

Almost sounds like you're talking about Elite.

[BlindBuck]

hey!

lmfao figured that would get your attention You know I am playing around.

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[KyRaizor]

What do you think limited run manufacturers clear per bow?

[KyRaizor]

In a non KS business plan!!

[Killer Midget]

It would only be a guess from me, but it doesn't sound like Stevens is planning a limited run.


Ofcourse, if sales don't cover expenses.........

[KyRaizor]

By limited run i mean around 1500 units He may have intentions of being in business a long time so I just meant the short term lower quantities

[12RingKing]

By limited run i mean around 1500 units He may have intentions of being in business a long time so I just meant the short term lower quantities

I know it's undeserving, but deja vu?

[Hoppy]

Here's a picture of the Inception in totally wired camo. Look's great!INCEPTION_TOTALLY%20WIRED%20REDUX.jpg

[vhunter]

Here's a picture of the Inception in totally wired camo. Look's great!INCEPTION_TOTALLY%20WIRED%20REDUX.jpg

Looks like a nice bow.

[StevensArchery]

Just stumbled upon this thread. Lots of questions and I'm kind of stunned at all the misconceptions.

1.) We are advertising on AT. I have an 18 point marketing plan that involves a number of websites (maybe even this one, didn't know about it until now). Prior to our advertising on AT I had been in talks with them for over a month, but had to follow my business plan and budget. I am rolling out advertising on a preplanned schedule. Conspiracy theories aside.

2.) I was not denied the Binary cam license. Binary issue is because of an issue between the current patent holder and Bowtech. Had nothing to do with me or our bow. Next year all binary cam licensee must use non-mirror image cams. I didn't want to try and go down that road. The current owner of the Binary Cam patent agreed to license me the Hybrid cam. I could have waited until the patent issue got sorted out, but was not given a time frame for when that would happen and I didn't want to lose another year. That's the facts and anything else is simply not true, unfounded, and pure speculation. A quick call to Rex can straighten that out!

3.) I advertised on AA because a good friend of my brothers introduced me to that site. They are also our partner in making stabilizers. (Dead Center Archery) I didn't know anybody from that site until I contacted the owners.

4.) This bow has been in the works since March of 2009. Over 3 years! No association with any other company, designer, and so on. Many of the "other" companies were making bows when my bow was still a dream. If there is one person most responsible for this bow I would have to say it was my dad!

5.) Camo pattern. This is my design, my concept, and my idea.

6.) "K&K debacle" as someone worded it. I have been working on this for 3 years. I wasn't even aware nor did I pay attention to anybody but myself. I do not know a thing about K&K and honestly don't care to know. That's not my business nor responsibility. I have no clue as to what anyone else is doing business wise and just because another company had issues I fail to see why I am supposed to be aware and then not make a bow because of someone else's issues. Our bows are not carbon copies of anybodies bow. I've had people compare the bow to PSE, now K&K, and Elite and no one's even shot it yet.

7.) KS; Thinks he is an incredible designer will take it as a compliment if our bow is compared to some of his earlier works. The fact is these are our bows our own conceived specifications!!!

8.) Future collaberations. I have been approached by 3 well known designers and 2 brilliant engineers in regards to working with me and furthering our line of bow models and I've had input/advice from numerous people. Someone with over 40 years in the industry gave me input in this bow. I'm not too proud to ask advice or seek help to make a better bow. The point is numerous people had input and gave me advice. To chalk this up to one guy...or even me is so far from the reality of this project. I will just say I've been blessed by all the expert advice and help I've received.


9.) This whole project was a God given dream that started March 31st, 2009 and only God knows the struggle and sacrifice it took to get me this far. I am trying to make the best bow possible. All my marketing ideas, plans, business model, etc are my ideas alone. I did not follow any other companies plan nor seek advice on marketing from any other designer, company or bow manufacturer.

10.) My goal is to create and build the best bow possible. I would hope we'd be given the chance and not be weighed down with rumors and innuendo.

11.) I've been on the Bowsite.com since 1996 or so (not trying to promote that site...merely for information purpose). My handle there is Rupe. Maybe some of you know me from there. I was President of Maryland Bowhunters Society for 4 years (2003 to 2007). Lots of people know me.


To the owners of BowfreakZ, Just wanted to addres some issues. Not trying to spam or get free marketing. Please email me a media package.

If anyone has any questions just call me and ask. My number is on our website. In respect to the website owners I won't be posting here again until we are a sponor and I won't address any more rumors. Takes too much mental capital to go from site to site trying to address all the wild stories. I have a company to run and am buidling the best bows we can. Thanks for your time.

[NHNS4]

Nice Rupe. I'd say that about sums it up!

[elkguide]

And that is "the rest of the story!"

Thank you very much for clearing up all of the misconceptions. I am anxious to see your new offerings and your jump into the bow manufacturing world. New ideas and innovations only make our sport better. Thank you again for putting forth the effort. Hope this site fits into your plans as it is a very comfortable, growing new site.

[Hoppy]

Thanks Rupe!
Can't wait for the bows in a couple weeks.

[L-train]

Hey Rupe, its your gig to do as you see fit.
One thing I would suggest is doing some serious research on those cams, KS thought there were no problems with them, but some easy internet research will show that cam system being thrown away by most owners of the bow.
Just seems a prudent bit of R&D.
Maybe somehow physics has changed on your bow, but your cam looks identical to the K&K, the comparisons are natural considering. And I didnt need to hold a SA or K&K bow to know there were problems, and low and behold, there were problems. Just tryin to help

[vhunter]

#2 could change things for a lot of archery companies out there.

[BlindBuck]

Agreed V that is the most interesting thing I have read in the whole binary patent drama.




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[tobin01]

Rupe......I see no issues with the post. With regards to bowsite, Pat runs a great site. Good luck with your business and we will be in touch.

[footindave]

Great post Rupe, and cant wait to shoot one, i wish you the very best.

[DustyRx]

They look great on paper. I have the same hesitations as most others have stated so I ain't gonna buy one until trusted reviews come in and the dust settles. I hope they shoot/tune well as I like the looks and specs.